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    ياسر السيد احمد
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    Using P6 and EVM to calculate profit/loss

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    I do understand how EVM is used. PV (BCWS), EV (BCWP), and AC (ACWP) are all to do with costs. Let us say total costs which are direct, indirect, and overhead costs; the latter is composed of site and HO expenses. That means we compare apple to apple, cost to cost.

    My questions:

    1- How can we use P6 and EVM to calculate profit/loss which involves selling price NOT cost price? In other words, can we subtract EAC from the total project value (selling price) to calculate forecast profit/loss at completion? What about profits calculation on the Data Date??

    2- If 1 is possible, I do understand also that, it is not to the company’s interest to disclose its profits to the client when EVM reports and schedules are asked by him. Of course we have to submit monthly progress reports and monthly updated schedules to the client. The challenge is how to perform EVM without showing the client our profits; that is to say W/O making two schedules, one for the client and another for internal reporting purposes. That is too much for planners.

    3- Can we produce productivity reports using EVM? Which means comparing budgeted labor, non-labor, material quantities to Actual ones? True of False??

    Regards,

    Yasser

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    ياسر السيد احمد
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    Dear Yasser,

    You don't have to show the client your actuals if it is a lump sum project, thus only plot the percentage complete curve vs, the percentage planned,or any plot based on commodoties weights, and show the variaitions as percentage, but if it is a cost plus, you have to show the actuals as marked up, not cost, and compare it to you selling price or budget submitted to owner. NEVER show your profit to owners, unless it is agreed on. like 10% of cost.
    EV follow the marked up budget, as usual multiply by percentage complete.

    Any more questions

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    ياسر السيد احمد
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    Thanks Samir for your reply.


    Back to my first question, can a contractor calculate a project profit margin using EVM (that is for internal purpose reporting)? Tanking into consideration that we use cost price in loading our resources costs NOT the selling price. In other words, can we subtract forecasted EAC from the selling price to end up with calculating forecasted profit/loss??

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    Yasser

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    Yes you could, however, for proper evaluation, you should be able to capture all the actual cost todate,and update your budget to include any change order.
    Budget at completion-cost at completion= margin

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    ياسر السيد احمد
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    Dear Samir,

    if we use revenue as the project selling price (as appears in the BOQ), BAC, and EAC

    do you think that profit margin can be calculated as follows

    Margin = Revenue - EAC

    OR

    Margin = Revenue - (BAC + Variances), I mean change orders

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    Dear Yasser,

    The formula is right, but be careful how o find the EAC.

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    Also be careful what type of contract you are using,lump sum or cost plus

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    ياسر السيد احمد
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    Dear Samir

    I have more questions for you, using P6:

    1- How to load resources or costs to activities on a monthly basis (month by month)?? ( for summarized activities for example)

    Normally resources are distributed to activities linearly, front loaded, back loaded, etc.. according to resource curves. But is there a curve or any other way that allows me to distribute them monthly??

    2- How to represent costs on activities that has deferred payments??
    Sub-contractors submit their payment certificates but get paid one or two months later, the same applies for suppliers, Plant, etc... according to contract conditions.

    Assume our project is 12 months duration. Some costs will be deferred to month 13 or 14 as well as retention recovery. Assume also that our activity duration is from month 1 to 12, but costs will be loaded from month 3 to 14.
    It is not logic to create two activities one to show the real timing month 1-12 and another to show the expected payments (costs) month 3-14.

    To complicate it a little some activities will be split with deferred payment.

    How to represent that all from a contractor point of view to perform EVM using P6???

    Regards,

    Yasser

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